Our fit future

Consultation has concluded

The Government has announced its intention for Lake Macquarie City Council to remain a stand-alone organisation.

The decision comes after a lengthy government decision-making process, which included numerous Government assessments of Council’s ability to operate efficiently as an individual organisation.

Council has stated in numerous submissions throughout the Fit for the Future process, it is providing good-quality daily services to its 202,000 residents, and has the strategies in place to continue to be a sustainable and efficient Council.

Council is pleased the NSW Government’s proposal is reflective of residents’ wishes, which were consistently supportive of Lake Macquarie standing alone.

The Government has announced its intention for Lake Macquarie City Council to remain a stand-alone organisation.

The decision comes after a lengthy government decision-making process, which included numerous Government assessments of Council’s ability to operate efficiently as an individual organisation.

Council has stated in numerous submissions throughout the Fit for the Future process, it is providing good-quality daily services to its 202,000 residents, and has the strategies in place to continue to be a sustainable and efficient Council.

Council is pleased the NSW Government’s proposal is reflective of residents’ wishes, which were consistently supportive of Lake Macquarie standing alone.

CLOSED: This discussion has concluded.
  • What can residents do, to endeavour keeping our Council and City as is? I am mindful that 18th November has passed...

    westlakewrens asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your support.  Yes, the Council's deadline to reply to the State Government was the 18th but you can still write to you local State members outlining your concerns.

  • what would the benefit from combining with Newcastle? to me it would seem the most of our rates would end up on the bathers way .

    rex asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. Rates would need to be reviewed following any amalgamation process to ensure charges are consistent and equitable across a newly formed local government area.


  • I strongly oppose any amalgamation with NCC and as a resident of Bonnells Bay in South West Lake Macquarie I am alarmed as I know that IPART recommended that the Morisset area of lake Macquarie be taken from LMCC and given in to Wyong council. Morisset and surrounds are part of Lake Macquarie both historically and geographically is there any thing council can do to stop this forced territory exchange/boundary change of southern lake Macquarie by Wyong Council?

    markD asked over 3 years ago

    As you may have read, the regional solution model has now been proposed and is supported by Lake Macquarie council. This plan involves merging five current council areas into three comparable ‘super councils’.

    These merged council areas would include Gosford / south Wyong, Lake Macquarie / north Wyong and Newcastle / Port Stephens.

    The model creates council areas with comparable demographic, environmental and service-delivery requirements.


  • Why do we need to amalgamate with Newcastle City Council when we could join with Wyong Council instead? Newcastle Council appears to have too many internal problems, both administrative and financial. Failing that, as we have demonstrated that we are fit to stand alone, why not allow that to happen? Jackie Bartley

    jackbart asked over 3 years ago

    As you may have read, the regional solution model has now been proposed and is supported by Lake Macquarie council. This plan involves merging five current council areas into three comparable ‘super councils’.

    These merged council areas would include Gosford / south Wyong, Lake Macquarie / north Wyong and Newcastle / Port Stephens.

    The model creates council areas with comparable demographic, environmental and service-delivery requirements.


  • My local council representatives are "Fit for the Future"!. Our LMCC Councillor's do a wonderful job in representing our local area. Who in the State Government wants to halve my democratic representation at the local government level ? Why isn't my level of access to a local Councillor not considered ( or measured) by IPART ? Essential Australian grass roots democracy is and has always been about our local government Councillor living in our street. The State government has no right or mandate to deny our local democracy.

    Kevin Thompson asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments and support.

  • Due to the very strong LMCity communities resentment to this ludicrous forced merger, "If the states rate payers are trusted to have a say as to who governs us (Mr Baird) why, don't you show some real leadership by trusting those same people to have a say. After all, its their local government, have you heard about democracy".

    jerra10 asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments and support.

  • Why is council yet again wasting ratepayers money trying to defend the indefensible. The only people who appear concerned about this whole process are those with a vested interest and either work for council or know somebody who does. Clearly the south lakes are is a better fit with the central coast and not the city of Newcastle to which the Charlestown Toronto and all parts north clearly belong to.

    Neil58 asked over 3 years ago

    As you may have read, the regional solution model has now been proposed and is supported by Lake Macquarie council. This plan involves merging five current council areas into three comparable ‘super councils’.

    These merged council areas would include Gosford / south Wyong, Lake Macquarie / north Wyong and Newcastle / Port Stephens.

    The model creates council areas with comparable demographic, environmental and service-delivery requirements.


  • If Lake Macquarie LGA extends into Wyong Shire, why don't the northern suburbs of Lake Mac go to Newcastle Council? Suburbs such as Charlestown, Cardiff and Glendale associate themselves with being in 'Newcastle' than they do 'Lake Macquarie'. I don't think it's fair that a person elected to council from Cardiff will have to make decisions regarding Wyong, yet not be able to make decisions regarding Elermore Vale or New Lambton Heights. If These suburbs are included in a council which includes Wyong, decisions are not going to be made in the best interests of local residents.

    dyljam asked over 3 years ago

    As you may have read, the regional solution model has now been proposed and is supported by Lake Macquarie council. This plan involves merging five current council areas into three comparable ‘super councils’.

    These merged council areas would include Gosford / south Wyong, Lake Macquarie / north Wyong and Newcastle / Port Stephens.

    The model creates council areas with comparable demographic, environmental and service-delivery requirements.


  • I am concerned environmentally and social economically of the effects of amalgmating councils. The Lake Macquarie Catchment and the Hunter River Catchments are too large independent ecosystems. For one council to manage these two would seem to be a decline in resources and ecosystem health. Considering the population is rising for both areas as well this will be a decrease in resources for each citizen in each area as well. Like larger classroom sizes with the same one teacher trying to handle double the kids. Also does amalgamation mean the stronger council becomes the controlling council for both areas? If socioeconomic and environmental issues can not be adequately addressed then this is nothing more then political manipulation in an attempt to affect voting and members elected - and if that is the case I know who I will not be voting for.

    Anitamb asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments and support.

  • This is not a question rather a statement. I choose to live in Lake Macquarie because of the council and it's effectiveness. I do not want to be joined with Newcastle council, the council has been proven to be ineffective and unrealiable not to mention under suspicion with corruption ICAC. They are continually in the news for the wrong reason.Finally If Lake Macquarie is bullied into joining with Newcastle our rates will rise and that is only better for the government. Please stop wasting my tax payers money on those frivolous adds, if you gave that money you are wasting on to the councils we would not have to amalgmate. A very annoyed resident

    GRACE asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments and support.

  • So why not look at a border re-distribution? Move Charesltown into NCC, and make a play to extend lake Mac down to somewhere like sparks rd, and suggest Gosford comes north to sparks rd. That way Lake Macquarie council covers all of the lake and maintains its identity, increases in size, continues to get growth areas on the north of the coast, and keeps LMCC out of NCC? Food for thought :)

    Cozzy asked over 3 years ago

    As you may have read, the regional solution model has now been proposed and is supported by Lake Macquarie council. This plan involves merging five current council areas into three comparable ‘super councils’.

    These merged council areas would include Gosford / south Wyong, Lake Macquarie / north Wyong and Newcastle / Port Stephens.

    The model creates council areas with comparable demographic, environmental and service-delivery requirements.


  • Lake Macquarie is definitely divided in North and South . Evidence of this is the fact that the northern side of the Lakes foreshore is well developed and a pleasure to visit and can be accessed by the general public which is not the case in the South Western end of the Lake (Wyee Bay and surrounding areas) with no road access to Council Maintained Boat Ramps , aging Private Sewerage plan run off into this Wyee Bay area and no Planned development to the Lake's foreshore in this area in my lifetime. Will the planned amalgamation of these two councils allow the funding and development of Wyee Bay area in the short term ?

    Lakes Health asked over 3 years ago

    As the NSW Government has not yet made its final decision regarding the future of Lake Macquarie and Newcastle City Councils, it is too early to know the implications of any amalgamation in the longer term. More information about development in the area of Wyee can be found at www.lakemac.com.au.







  • What will happen to LMCC's funding for projected projects if the two combine? Also, what will happen to LMCC's environmental policies? I don't want the shift. Is there anything we as citizens can do to stop it?

    paulbates asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your questions. As the NSW Government has not yet made its final decision regarding the future of Lake Macquarie and Newcastle City Councils, it is too early to know the implications of any amalgamation in the longer term for future projects.

    Lake Macquarie City Council will keep its community informed throughout the process. Updates will be published as more information is known so keep an eye on this website and www.lakemac.com.au.





  • I am deeply troubled with the recommendations of the IPART committee given that Lake Macquarie appears to be 'very fit for the future' except in the subjective area of 'scale and capacity' which is neither properly defined by IPART of the State Government. It is clear that this a purely political decision. The thing I can understand is how this will benefit anyone, least of all the State Government. Is there a really good reason for all this pain, or are they just a nasty bunch of political people?

    tonyellitt asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments. Council was also disappointed for the City and its 202,000 residents, especially given the hard work in recent years to ensure
    Lake Macquarie is Fit for the Future.

    Council is now looking closely at the IPART report and will provide feedback to the
    Government by 18 November.






  • I do not want Lake Macquarie and Newcastle City Councils to amalgamate. Newcastle Council appears to be dysfunctional in the extreme. I do not want Lake Macquarie to become part of this council. I'm very surprised at IPARTS recommendation. I was under the impression that Lake Macquarie council were performing well. Not happy Jan

    Anne-Maree asked over 3 years ago

    Thanks for your support. The NSW Government is providing an opportunity for councils to respond to IPART’s report and identify their merger preferences by November 18.

  • Can we please have the rest of the Lake Macquarie suburbs (Chain Valley Bay, Gwandalan, Summerland Point, Mannering Park, North Doyalson) put into whatever the new Council is? It is crazy they are not already and they have had no attention from Wyong. These front the lake and are part of the drainage catchment. Thanks

    Trace asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments. The NSW Government is providing an opportunity for councils to respond to IPART’s report and identify their merger preferences.




  • I note that the report states that council did not demonstrate that it would be in a better position 'standing alone' as compared with a merger. It would be impossible to do so, given that the conditions of a merger are currently imaginary, and that the IPART committee is clearly skewed in favour of merging. This is a very weak standpoint on which to base a decision, as compared with the empirical evidence of current financial performance. Does the council have a solid understanding of the concept of 'scale and capacity'? After flicking through the report I remain uninformed regarding this nefarious criteria, which seems to have very little objectivity about it (or if so, it is highly secretive), yet was used to knock out nearly all of the stand-alone proposals. The criteria also seems to ignore the fact that councils deal with small scale planning by individuals and small businesses, and focusses entirely on regional planning bureaucracy. The merger proposals cannot possibly provide better scale for these smaller types of developments, or for small scale asset management. Given the consistent pro-merger recommendations produced, and considering the above issues, it would seem that the report is merely the result of a process used to obtain a desired outcome, rather than having anything to do with a genuine case by case analysis. This is has been an extraordinarily undemocratic and abstruse process.

    pgang asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. You are correct in that IPART concluded that Council’s current ‘scale and capacity’ does not meet the Government’s Fit for the Future requirements and that ‘scale and capacity’ is a qualitative measure
    that is open to interpretation.
    IPART did find that Lake Macquarie City Council meets Fit for the Future benchmarks related to financial sustainability, efficiency, and infrastructure and services management whuich was pleasing but in order to be deemed ‘fit’ a council must be assessed by IPART as having sufficient ‘scale and capacity’, regardless of whether it meets the financial Fit for the Future benchmarks set by the Government. Council is disappointed by this assessment.





  • how does ipart measure the govement fit for the future requirements. when the council meets all other measures which means the council has a 90% pass except for the last measure which is the govement fit for the future this seems like stick up.also both councils are growth areas which means that one council would not be able to run such a large area by it self

    roger asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your questions. IPART found that Lake Macquarie City Council meets Fit for the Future benchmarks related to financial sustainability, efficiency, and infrastructure and services management. It is pleasing that IPART recognises Council’s strong financial position.

    However, IPART concluded that Council’s current ‘scale and capacity’ does
    not meet the Government’s Fit for the Future requirements. ‘Scale and capacity’ is a qualitative measure that is open to interpretation. In order to be deemed ‘fit’ a council must be assessed by IPART as having sufficient ‘scale and capacity’, regardless of whether it meets the financial Fit for the Future benchmarks set by the Government.




  • will we get same level of service and representation for such a large area?ARE we as rate payers propping up newcastles debt and poor performances?

    gullie52 asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. As the NSW Government is yet to make its final decision about the future of Lake Macquarie and Newcastle City Councils, it is too early to tell what changes or improvements will occur as a result of any potential amalgamation.

    Council’s priority is to minimise adverse impact on residents, and to continue to deliver quality facilities and services for the benefit of the community.

    kind regards.

  • I am very concerned that amalgamation will result in a reduction in improving drainage and concrete guttering. In Nelson street, Barnsley we have no gutters and water runoff passes through properties. Council will not even cover a concrete pit about five feet deep that is beside the street (photographed for when someone falls down it) I am concerned that our conditions here will get worse amalgamating with Newcastle.

    Darren asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question and I appreciate your concerns . The work you refer to in Barnsley is in fact in our medium-term program, with investigations and design likely to be commenced shortly.

    kind regards.

  • IPART concluded that our current ‘scale and capacity’ does not meet the Government’s Fit for the Future requirements. Doesn't this mean that they must have some sort of criteria that they are using in order to determine this? Was criteria made available for other aspects of the submission?

    cla asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. In order to be deemed ‘fit’ a council must be assessed by IPART as having sufficient ‘scale and capacity’, regardless of whether it meets the financial Fit for the Future benchmarks set by the Government. ‘Scale and capacity’ was not quantitatively defined, but set by the Independent Local Government Review Panel (ILGRP).

    Further information is available at www.ipart.nsw.gov.au. (Search for Fit for the Future).

  • As a resident of the Lake Macquarie area, I am opposed to Lake Macquarie council merging with Newcastle council. I want to know - What are the specific benefits to Lake residents from merger of both councils? What happens to the employees of both councils - more forced redundancies in the area? IPART concluded that both councils did not meet the "scale and capacity" benchmarks to be fit for the future - How can something be deemed as unfit when the measures to judge them are undefined?

    Fiona asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. As IPART has only recommended to the State Government that Lake Macquarie City Council amalgamate with Newcastle City Council, it is too early to tell what the implications of any changes will be in the longer term.

    We can advise though that Council employees have three years of employment certainty under the Local Government Act no matter what IPART recommended or the Government eventually decides.

    kind regards.

  • Why is not the existence of IPART, its independence and stated role relating to privatisation? Why is there role and involvement in Government not a Constitutional Issue and Crises subject to a Royal Commission?. In mine and Many Eyes the Developments at Catherine Hill Bay and Mooney Beach are consequent to the political Corruption that descended upon our local electorates. Efforts to stop the desecration of Both the National Park and Conservation Area, and the Heritage area were declared void of the interest and role of the Conservation and Heritage Ministers, with local appeal to the Ministers, particularly in regard a suggested sewerage treatment plant with overflow into Mooney Creek and Beach, redirected to IPART set up to privatise water and sewerage. I have the Correspondence. Why is not the Auditor General not doing the assessment relating to Council Mergers?

    brian fallon asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your questions. While we can cofirm that the NSW Government asked the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal to perform the role of the Expert Advisory Panel to assess how council proposals met the Fit for the Future criteria, your may wish to include your other comments in the Forum Discussion where others can comment.

    kind regards.

  • Does the report provide, or is there other evidence to show that amalgamations work over a sustained period of time?

    camerjes asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. IPART's report is available at www.ipart.nsw.gov.au
    (Search for Fit for the Future). You may find some interesting case studies from council mergers that were undertaken in Queensland in 2008 (and subsequent de-amalgamations in 2014) and Victoria in 1993/4.

    kind regards.

  • So what's the concern with amalgamation ? I would think it would remove considerable duplication freeing up funds to further improve the community

    Mercer asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. As IPART has only made a recommendation to the Government that Lake Macquarie City Council amalgamate with Newcastle City Council, it is too early to know how services and funding will be impacted in the longer term.

    kind regards.

  • What are the criteria for sufficient scale and capacity? How does meeting these criteria benefit ratepayers, the broader community, the State and the Nation? Is the requirement to meet these criteria simply a way for the Premier to achieve his ideological objectives of amalgamation even though Councils meet all of the other sensible criteria?

    Improver asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. ‘Scale and capacity’ was not quantitatively
    defined, but set by the Independent Local Government Review Panel (ILGRP).

    kind regards.




  • What basis/criteria/information did PART use to determine that LMCC "was not a fit Council for the future" ? I am sure that it got the assessment completely wrong. There is no way that a merger with Newcastle CC would provide any better services or be of any benefit to the ratepayers of LMCC. In fact, the reverse situation would apply. We should strenuously object to LMCC merging with Newcastle CC.

    liberty asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. IPART found that our Council meets Fit for the Future benchmarks related to financial sustainability, efficiency, and infrastructure and services management. It is pleasing that IPART recognises Council’s strong financial position.

    However, IPARTconcluded that our current ‘scale and capacity’ does not meet the Government’s Fit for the Future requirements. In order to be deemed ‘fit’ a council must be assessed by IPART as having sufficient ‘scale and capacity’, regardless of whether it meets the financial Fit for the Future benchmarks set by the Government. ‘Scale and capacity’ was not quantitatively defined, but set by the Independent Local Government Review Panel (ILGRP).

    IPART determined that both Lake Macquarie and Newcastle Councils did not demonstrate that their proposals to stand alone would be as good as or better than the preferred merger.\

    kind regards.

  • Almagamation may deliver great benefits in terms of better integration (for example Charlestown may in furture be better connected to Newcastle). Is the state goverment committed to backing integrated transport soluions?

    hej asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. You may also wish to add this to the Disucssion Forum in the other tab above where others can contribute to this topic. Specififc quetions about intergrated transport solutions may be better directed to the state government. Contact details for local members and ministers can be found at www.parliament.nsw.gov.au.

    kind regards,

  • Is this a definite amalgamation or still under discussion. If it an amalgamation we are movi d from the area. No way do we want to amalgamate with Newcastle Council.

    Denise & Keith Farrugia asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your question. At this stage, IPART has only recommended to the State Government that Lake Macquarie City Council amalgamate with Newcastle City Council.

    The NSW Government is providing an opportunity for councils to respond to IPART’s report and identify their merger preferences.

    Council will look closely at the IPART report and provide feedback to the Government by 18 November.

    The Government has indicated that it will make its decision about our future by the end of the
    year.

    kind regards,
    Angela






  • Can you please explain with a few lines: Who are the independenten experts and what effective, sustainable and long term community development and economic development projects have they done? What is their expert professionalism based on to be given recommendations? What are the current financial balances in both councils ? Some comments suggest that NCC cares debts? What are the benefits going to be from merging this two councils? What are examples of something done in other similar councils? Whit a concrete figures if more sustainable long term community and economic development achieved by the two merged council in the successfully example. Thanks!

    Dana asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your questions. You can find information about the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribubal at http://www.ipart.nsw.gov.au/Home.

    IPART found that our Council meets Fit for the Future benchmarks related to financial
    sustainability, efficiency, and infrastructure and services management so it is pleasing that IPART recognises Council’s strong financial position.

    However, IPART concluded that our current ‘scale and capacity’ does not meet the Government’s Fit for the Future requirements. In order to be deemed ‘fit’ a council must be assessed by IPART as having sufficient ‘scale and capacity’, regardless of whether it meets the financial Fit for the Future benchmarks set by the Government. ‘Scale and capacity’ was not quantitatively defined, but set by the Independent Local Government Review Panel (ILGRP).

    IPART determined that both Lake Macquarie and Newcastle Councils did not demonstrate that their proposals to stand alone would be as good as, or better than, the preferred merger.

    While IPART indicated that there would be some benefits to a merger of the two councils, Council is still reviewing IPART’s report and will provide more information on this soon so keep watching the website. Council will also be providing feedback to the Government by 18 November which we will share.

    You may find some interesting case studies from council mergers that were undertaken in Queensland in 2008 (and subsequent de-amalgamations in 2014) and Victoria in 1993/4.

    kind regards.


  • As a ratepayer of Lake Macquarie Council for the last 15 years, I have observed Council, for the most part, have been pro-active, consultative and efficient. What will be the implications if as ratepayers, we reject outright the amalgamation with Newcastle Council.

    banquet of consequences. asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your comments and questions. At this stage IPART have only made a recommendation to the State Government that Lake Macquarie City Council amalgamate with Newcastle City Council, and the NSW Government is providing an opportunity for councils to respond to IPART’s report and identify their merger preferences.

    Council will look closely at the IPART report and provide feedback to the Government by 18 November and the community. You can also make respresentations to your local members and State representatives and their details can we found here www.parliament.nsw.gov.au

    The Government has indicated that it will make its decision about our future by the end of the year.

    kind regards.






  • Have tried to find online why Lake Mac has been deemed unfit. Can this be put up on the Council website somewhere please (Maitland has shown onlilne what their result was) Also if you can again list email addresses that we can use to register comments to the both Premier Baird and the investigating body who did the study, that would be much appreciated.

    SaveLakeMac asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for your questions. IPART found that our Council meets Fit for the Future benchmarks related to financial sustainability, efficiency, and infrastructure and services management. It is pleasing that IPART recognises Council’s strong financial position.

    However, IPART concluded that our current ‘scale and capacity’ does not meet the Government’s Fit for the Future requirements. In order to be deemed ‘fit’ a council must be assessed by IPART as having sufficient ‘scale and capacity’, regardless of whether it meets the financial Fit for the Future benchmarks set by the Government. ‘Scale and capacity’ was not quantitatively defined, but set by the Independent Local Government Review Panel (ILGRP).

    IPART determined that both Lake Macquarie and Newcastle Councils did not demonstrate that their proposals to stand alone would be as good as or better than the preferred merger.

    Contace details for you local member can be found here:
    http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au

    Contact details for the Premier are listed below:
    The Hon. Mike Baird, MP
    52 Martin Place
    SYDNEY NSW 2000

    https://www.nsw.gov.au/your-government/contact-premier-new-south-wales

    Contact details for the Minister for Local Government are listed below:

    The Hon. Paul Toole, MP
    52 Martin Place
    SYDNEY NSW 2000
    office@toole.minister.nsw.gov.au

    kinds regards.

  • What if any are the plans for the areas away from the lake surrounds, e.g.., finishing Martinsville fire station, and the maintenance of the Martinsville cricket oval?

    maggie asked about 4 years ago

    Thanks for your question. We expect that construction of the Martinsville Fire Station will be complete later this month. In relation to the Martinsville cricket oval - is there a specific maintenance concern you'd like me to follow up, i.e. mowing etc? Thanks, Kate