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A 3 bin system would mean more traffic with more trucks on the road to collect the extra bin- is this a concern for you?

almost 9 years ago

 According to the LMCC 2009 Community Survey, waste collection and maintaining road surfaces are the 2 most important ranking services to residents. In terms of avoiding greenhouse gas emissions, a 3-bin system is not as effective as a 2-bin system. A 3-bin system produces approximately 160,000 tonnes more greenhouse gas than a 2 bin-system over a 30-year period (see Report on Waste Options page 113 in Library section of this site).

Something to consider with a 3-bin system is- there would be more traffic on our roads from more trucks collecting the extra bins, generating more greenhouse gases, and requiring more road maintenance. Is this something that concerns you?

  • Newport almost 9 years ago
    I dont agree. In The Hills Shire there is no more extra trucks than usual. We have three bins but only two are picked up each week. The red bin for general household waste and we alternate the other two bins. One week it will be the red bin( smaller bin ) and the green waste bin and then the next week it will be the red bin and the yellow recycle bin. Same amount of trucks and pick ups. This is a large shire with lots of peak hour traffic and I dont not believe there is any real impact to the traffic. It would be easy to ask for any feedback from the council to see what effect the three bins have made.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Hi Newport,At present LMCC has 1 bin (general waste) collected one week, and 2 bins (general waste and recycling) collected the alternate week. If a three bin system is introduced in Lake Macquarie, it would mean that there will be 2 bins collected each week- which is an increase in trucks on the roads from the current kerbside collection system.Thanks
  • Alida almost 9 years ago
    i can understand about the increase in trucks being used for pickup and also generating more greenhouse gases. our problem at our house is that we have the 2 bin system, one for rubbish and the other one for recycling. we normally fill both our bins every time and our recycling bin is overflowing most times. we have 5 people in our house. it would be good to have a third bin for the green waste and have that emptied every fortnight. we would be able to get rid of more waste around our house instead of stacking things up ready for the bin to be emptied then fill it up again. if we didn't get a 3 bin system here at Rathmines, we could have the recycling bin emptied every week instead of once a fortnight. a lot of people do recycle and the new bins don't really accommodate for that, since the divider was added. we go through a lot of cardboard and so that section is always full and even overflowing. the old bins were great being able to just put all the recycling into the bin.
  • Caz almost 9 years ago
    Yes, more traffic and greenhouse gases is a concern however where do we go from here if we remain with the two bin system? Has there been contact with other Councils who use the three bin system regarding additional traffic? As most households in Lake Macquarie generate a substantial amount of green waste in the form of garden material, do we continue to place this in our general waste bin? Or, are we to create a fire hazard in our yard by storing this garden material waiting for the Council green waste collection?
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Hi Caz,Yes much research has gone into the impacts of either 2 bin system or 3 bin system. It's more of a personal issue- some residents do get concerned about the noise and traffic of the garbage trucks as they do their collections- so we just think it's worthwhile having residents consider this aspect of having a 3 bin system. If Council remains with a 2 bin system- LMCC will have to look into alternative ways to deal with residents excess green waste that doesn't fit into their general waste bin... Options such as green waste pick-ups during pruning season or green waste transfer stations where residents can self-haul. These are more implementation issues that will have to be resolved once a strategy is selected. We are open to any suggestions. Thanks.
      • Caz almost 9 years ago
        Personally I don't have any issues with the noise of garbage trucks, we rarely have a collection before 8.00 a.m. and surely most residents are up and about at that time? I'd rather have the noise of a garbage truck than hoons who tear up and down our street with cars exceeding the 50 kmh speed limit or their noisy trail bikes, barking dogs - the garbage trucks are only in the street for a short time. As a member of the older generation, I wonder how some residents would cope with the noise from postmen who once used to blow a whistle when they put mail in the letterbox, then there was the clothes prop man, ice delivery man and the list goes on - it's all part of today's living where we are confronted with noise from all directions. Green waste pickups outside of the usual Council collections could work however self-haul wouldn't work for us as we no longer have a trailer and our car is a sedan.
  • Brian H almost 9 years ago
    If we reduce our grennhouse gas emissions, where does Council dump our rubbish? Bear in mind that the population of Lake Macquarie is increasing. We seemed to be damned if we do and damned if we don't! I still think that a 3-bin system is the lesser of two evils. Less non-reusable garbage will mean less greenhouse gases (eg methane), not more. Hornsby Council has used a 3-bin system (the same as the Hills Shire as "Newport" has mentioned), and there does not appear to be any deterioration in roads.
  • AngelaF almost 9 years ago
    Generating more greenhouse gases in the process of collecting rubbish sounds like a 21st century conundrum. Its the sort of craziness we are hearing as we get bogged down in over consumption of stuff. Avoidance of waste generation is a very important message that seems to be getting lost in the cacophany about recycling which should really be the last resort. We are too ready to commit things to the rubbish bin without considering the energy and resources embodied in every purchase we make from the manufacturing process, through distribution to the final point of purchase. The official figures for food waste, both domestic and commercial, are horrendous; a complete waste of money and resources. I would urge everyone to really think about every single thing they buy (do you really need it?) and every single thing you put into the rubbish (is there a way I could avoid this?). Consumption and waste are not the marks of a civilised life. Recycling in many ways seems to be an excuse for not avoiding use. For instance take-away shops in food halls would do better to provide crockery and cutlery which can be washed and re-used instead of the (nominally) recyclable cartons which will end up in land fill. There are many ways we can take a few steps backward to using less. It may take a little effort at first but before you know its a habit.
  • Pat almost 9 years ago
    I don't need an extra bin for garden prunings. But I would like at least one additional green waste and bulk rubbish collection during the year.
    • bhicks13 almost 9 years ago
      We are a 2 person household where we have 2 compost bins, a worm farm, a 5HP shredder and where we are mindful about what we purchase with what sort of packaging.We could manage with a rubbish collection every 3 to 4 weeks. Collecting recyclables every 2 weeks works well for us, we might manage if it were every 3 weeks. Because we shred most of our prunings and cuttings and compost most else, we personally don't need the additional bin. Neither do we need any additional bulk rubbish collections -that is until we move house and need to do a really thorough clean-out.In Japan people take their "stuff" to centralised locations in the heart of the community and so the truck only has to collect from one central spot. perhaps we need to be looking at something like this and not expecting a personalised service to the door.
  • Bloods almost 9 years ago
    If there are increased costs ivolved in a three bin system as it appears there are, and considering the Councils much discussed current financial constraints, perhaps this issue needs to be put on the back burner until the financial side of things improves. Reduction of both waste and greenhouse emisions are important, however the Council needs to consider all of its services and its continuing ability to meet these obligations. Sadly, for a public organisation of fixed income not every good idea can be pursued
  • Gyarran almost 9 years ago
    There seems to be some detail missing in the statement. If the 3rd bin is for green waste, surely we should be considering the net impact of collecting the waste vs the reduction in what's going to landfill (and the subsequent reduction in the amount of methane being produced). If we reduce the amount of general waste being collected, that must mean we need less truck trips to Awaba to dump general waste? And if the 3rd bin is only used for green waste, it will only need to be collected every 2nd week (of maybe less frequently in winter)? We also need to get more people composting their kitchen scraps. A lot of households in Lake Macquarie have reasonable size yards - big enough to manage a small compost bin or worm farm - and the gardens can only benefit by putting something back.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Hi Gyarran,You are correct, in the analysis of the 3 and 2 bin systems, these impacts are considered and calculated and over a 30 year period, the 2 bin system has slightly better performance in reducing greenhouse gas emissions compared to the 3 bin system. I encourage you to look at the report which can be found in the Library section of this site- it has all the details of the analysis and explains how the options are weighted.
  • concerned almost 9 years ago
    We feel if you're not going to provide a green bin because it is too expensive or hard just say so and stop making all these excuses and treating people like idiots
  • Alternative Solution almost 9 years ago
    I think that LMCC needs to do something other than sitting on its hands. LMCC has indicated IF there are any changes, they will be made in 2012 when the contract comes up for recycling/collection/bins. My concern is all of this time (and money) the community and the council are putting into this, nothing will come to fruition.What will occur in the meantime? Especially as Lake Mac's population is increasing and the general trend from everyone on here is that they can fill their recycling bin weekly. What are the possibilties of having the recycling picked up weekly? This may reduce the amount of waste going to Awaba as well. Someone mentioned the 'community' green bin: I think this would be agreat interim solution. My preference is having vouchers availble for green waste as an additional option to the current green collection.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      The changes we are referring to in 2012 are recycling only. In terms of waste management in general, as part of the Waste Strategy Project, a number of "no regrets" activities have been adopted to ensure LMCC is doing all it can to progress the project whilst trying to find the best waste management system. LMCC is currently preparing a Development Application to expand the airspace of Awaba to buy more years of landfilling time, a home composting program is being run for residents with Bunnings and internally LMCC is 'walking the talk' with all desk bins removed and replaced with a 3 bin system being trialled within the Administration Building.
  • martin almost 9 years ago
    I think a 3-bin system is not necssary since we have regular green waste collection. A compost bin with a handful of worms would fit in most backyards and solve the kitchen waste problem. In our case, the recycling bin gets filled every fortnight, while the regular garbage bin never fills up. In fact, I am thinking of using the neighbours' bins for my measly little rubbish bag per week and claim a refund from council. Just joking but unfortunately, waste reduction is not being rewarded by LMCC. Newcastle plans to offer a choice of smaller bins, which would make sense to me.
  • ologs almost 9 years ago
    Lake Macquarie Council is around ten years behind the large majority of local government councils' in Australia.The green bin (picked up every fortnight) was initiated to stop the amount of waste going to landfill. This green "waste" is recyled into mulch either for sale to residents' or used on Council parks/gardens etc. This saves on water usage, which as we all know is becoming an expensive commodity. Also the Council saves on the millions being charged by the state government under the banner of "landfill levy".Why can't the pick up trucks be powered by gas or some other acceptable bio fuel? Surely a green waste pick up truck would weigh far less fully laden than a normal garbage or recycling truck? Most pick up trucks operate in the early hours of the morning, on suburban streets, so there shouldn't be any great concern about extra traffic. We are talking about Lake Macquarie not Sydney.....In sum, inaction by the Lake Macvquarie Council on this issue has possibly cost me and you the ratepayer, several tens of millions of dollars in "landfill levies" that could have been better expended on Lake Macquarie infrastructure.....
  • lamson almost 9 years ago
    It seems that this becomes a circular argument. To dump or not to dump? Greater recycling with three bins would mean more trucks but also the extension of the life of "the tip". There is a benefit in recycling and road maintenance is a fallacious argument because one extra truck cannot be considered a problem causing this, it is a greater number of factors, e.g. growing population, poor road construction initially, heavier buses, more housing development leading to more traffic. A three bin system has got to be a better environmental solution.
  • Collis almost 9 years ago
    As a first step, Can we have the recycle bin picked up weekly and the general waste bin reduced in size. This has an immediate result. Waiting till 2012 to get a change for green waste is in itsself a waste (of time).Do something quickly even if it isnt perfect and then improve it.
  • westlakewrens over 8 years ago
    This is a very important issue to consider. Originally I was for a three bin system but I don't think so any more. I note that the east side of the lake was getting a 'regular' green pick up or has that change? Maybe council needs look at localizing green waste drop off areas ( like mini-worm/compost farms) Maybe this something that needs to be addressed with the Sustainable Neighbourhood groups and community gardens in the area....