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Many of you have mentioned you would like a third bin for garden waste. Do you think we should all have a third bin for green waste?

almost 9 years ago

Over half of your garbage bin consists of organic waste, which is made up of food and garden waste that can be processed into a re-usable product. Currently, this organic waste goes straight to Awaba Landfill and produces greenhouse gases that are harmful to the environment.

Much of this organic waste can be prevented from going to the landfill. Some ways of doing this use a two-bin system, while others use a three-bin system... What way do you think we should deal with organic waste?

Would you prefer to keep the bin system you have now and let Council sort it out? Alternatively, would you like to do some of the sorting at home and have a third bin? We want to hear what you think.

  • mmalik almost 9 years ago
    I would love to see the implementation of a third bin. I don't have space in my backyard to compost and believe that a third bin would be very useful.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Thanks mmalik, we imagine there are many people in the same situation with not enough space for composting, so it's important to make sure that people have the opportunity to recycle their green and food waste in other ways and keep it out of the landfill.What do you think about separating food waste from the general garbage bin into a third bin that can be used for both food and green garden waste?
      • mmalik almost 9 years ago
        I would certainly like to see food waste and green waste disposed of properly. I know I would utilise this, however I can see potential hurdles in that it might be difficult to change the behaviour of people so used to disposing of food waste in their general garbage. I think there would have to be some sort of education to get people to change their attitudes and behaviours before the bins would be utilised properly. But like I said, I would love the option to do that.
    • Humanidee almost 9 years ago
      A third bin for green waste is a good idea, however strategies to recycle that waste (composting) should be encouraged. In saying that, there are some things that arn't compostable, eg. sticks, orange peel, etc. so a bin that takes those things would be good. I'd also like to see our bin system relinquish the use of suffocating, endless hills of plastic bags. They are being phased out well in shopping, and I've found my bin bag is getting near empty, but I have food scraps that I can't feed my dog, that are wet and gross, and won't compost, and I'm thinking it would be great to have a solution for that. Other than unrecyclable plastics, the majority of waste from my household IS recyclable.
  • Gyarran almost 9 years ago
    I see the biggest opportunity is to introduce a third bin for garden waste - that's what fills our bin if it's ever full. We have several compost bins which takes care of our food scraps and some of our green waste. But when we do a lot of pruning, etc, we generate too much to compost - so it goes in the rubbish bin - it seems such a waste of good landfill space! We don't have much general household waste - 3-4 supermarket size bags is the norm.Very happy to have a third bin for garden waste!
  • Collis almost 9 years ago
    If an extra bin is the only alternate then I support it. However the green waste I generate is vegative material from the garden I cant compost. My suggestion is a common compostable bin per 10 houses. Combined we probably generate enough waste but I dont need a bin every 2 weeks or month, just when I need it.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Hi Collis,There are a few different solutions to our waste issues and some of them only need a two bin system, while others use a three bin system. A third bin isn't the only option.If you come along to one of our Community Workshops in September ( 20/9/10 Charlestown and Speers Point, 21/9/10 Morisset and Swansea- details on calendar), you will be able to find out more about the options we have and you can provide your feedback on what system you think is best for the community. Thanks.
  • staylor almost 9 years ago
    Having lived in Sydney for several years, the one thing I noticed coming back to the Lake Mac area was the lack of green waste recycle bins. Sydney residents I knew were very dilligent when it came to separating waste into the appropriate bins and I think ratepayers here would embrace it also. Admittedly, much of my organic waste now gets composted but there are lots of branches and prunings that would normally go into the general garbage. A long overdue service I think.
  • bigmac almost 9 years ago
    With the introduction of a Greenwaste bin, especially one that takes food scraps I could handle a reduction in General Waste size from 240lt.Thanks for listening to the people that these decisions affect.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      You are most welcome. It's great to hear that people are open to different solutions. Keep up the suggestions.Touching on your comment about a smaller general waste bin... Do many of you think a smaller general waste bin would be sufficient if a third organic waste bin is introduced?
      • Gyarran almost 9 years ago
        As long as there's an option for the garden waste when needed - and Collis' idea for a community bin is a good one - we could definitely survive with a smaller bin.
      • Gayle almost 9 years ago
        We compost most of our green waste and rubbish but would love to be able to use only a small general waste bin. Unfortunately for us we have an overflow from our recycling to our general garbage, which is bad for the environment but as the recycling is filled by the end of the week and only collected fortnightly the move to a smaller bin would mean we have a stockpile of recyclables. Would love to see this happen but think that having some extra way of dealing with recyclables would be essential.
    • A J almost 9 years ago
      I like the method that I understand some other councils have used to introduce green waste bins. They supplied a new smaller bin for garbage and told residents that their existing 240l bin was now for green waste only.At some times of the year, I don't do much in the garden and don't put out any green waste. At other times of the year like now, I am virtually filling my garbage with green waste (leaving just enough space for household garbage), have a green waste pile in the yard sufficient to fill the bin about 3 or 4 times over and haven't finished pruning. Sharing green waste bin capacity with neighbours would be helpful, particularly if I could borrow a neighbour's bin for a few weeks and put 2 bins of green waste out together. If I did that now, I doubt that the council would empty them.
  • Elaine almost 9 years ago
    While I think this is a good idea, providing a separate bin for green waste, there are a lot of people that would prefer to have a compost bin and a worm farm. Would it be possible to make it an option. ie either provide the third bin for collection or compost/ worm farm bin for the resident?
  • Drewson almost 9 years ago
    From my own point of view a third bin is not required. I currently use 2 worm farms,a composter bin, waste paper shredder and a garden shredder for tree loppings etc. I also quite often shred newspapers to provide additional fodder for the worm farms and shredder. I acknowledge that this system would not suit all residents (space available, time required etc) but it works well for us.For instance our black bin when put out last night was only approximately 1/4 filled.Coupled with the kerbside pick ups we find that our system is more than adequate.
  • Bolt almost 9 years ago
    A while back, Newcastle Council had collection points , one at Blackbutt, which I used (and probably should not have), but it was very useful at the those times when you have cut the grass and or cleaned up the yard. I am not sure of the cost effectiveness compared to a third bin. I would be happy with a third bin also.
  • b sullivan almost 9 years ago
    i compost green wast at home except tree branches etc which will not go into a 3rd bin. A green wast pickup at pruning time would be helpful. A green wast pickup during winter is stupid.
  • billy almost 9 years ago
    I'd like to have the option of a compost unit as opposed to a third bin for green waste in combination with a quarterly or seasonal collection of larger garden green waste.
  • Jane almost 9 years ago
    I would like to see green waste recycling (in some way) for those residents whom are unable to activily do so themselves. We have a compost bin but find it hard to distribute lawn clippings. This week our rubbish bin had little more than a shopping bag of waste and a few gum tree branches in it. A smaller waste bin would suit us. Maybe a fortnightly or monthly green waste pick up as I dont think many people would cart it around.
  • Newport almost 9 years ago
    We have three bins in The Hills Shire and it works very well. One smaller bin for household waste that has a red lid. This is emptied each week. Two other larger bins that are emptied every second week about. One has a yellow lid for paper, bottles and cans etc. and the other has a green lid for green waste. We have never had a problem as there is plenty of room for rubbish in each designated bin.
  • jferguson almost 9 years ago
    I feel that 3 bins would be a fantastic solution, yet I know my neighbours wouldn't use this, therefore the option to elect for a third bin could be the solution. I have vast gardens and have loads of palm branches etc and I do lots of pruning just before the kerbside pickup, yet I definitely would use the green bin. My green waste (no scraps have chooks) is the normal filler of my weekly bin, as we generate very little rubbish itself.
  • toby1 almost 9 years ago
    I have lived in places on the Central Coast and Sydney which have the three bin system and it makes life so much easier when you have a normal suburban yard to maintain. A normal or small sized yard does not have enough room to put all clippings or trimmed branches. Having to put such material in the normal bin seems very wasteful when I know other councils have a system that recycles all these materials. While kerbside pick-up's are ok (aside from the annoying tying together of bundles) and green waste drop-off points are ok (if you have car that can carry green waste), the three bin system is much better. Plus these other systems actually encourage the more lazy people to chuck green waste over their back fence (causing weed problems) or down the drain (affecting the lake). Also, if you live in eastlakes it just seems to take forever to get to the Awaba tip and then you have to pay for it (mostly due to State government charges I realise) which also encourages bushland dumping. So - the three bin system for me, I have wanted it for ages! Good work if Council brings this in.
  • Caz almost 9 years ago
    I agree with other comments about the introduction of a green waste bin and a possible reduction in size of the current household waste bin. We do compost but don't have chooks or a worm farm and to be honest, I wouldn't want either. I've heard palm fronds can't be mulched/chipped/shredded in a home machine and as our back yard has these annoying plants (planted by previous owners that are too tall to lop, with the cost of removing prohibitive) a green waste bin would be an advantage. As seniors we never fill our household waste bin however consideration would need to be given to young families who may have one or two children still using disposable nappies - these take up a very large proportion of a bin. Would the introduction of a green bin and a smaller household bin be optional to households?
  • joez almost 9 years ago
    I am in favour of a third green waste recycle bin and a smaller general waste bin. I have a concern regarding mixing foodwaste with green waste especially if the collection is fortnightly. Decomposing foodwaste especially in summer months might induce health hazards and stale odours. Moreso if a collection is missed it would mean four weeks before the garbage was cleared. This would not be acceptable, particularly in dense residential areas and multistory developments.
  • Julia almost 9 years ago
    Yes I would love a green waste bin for all garden clipping etc. perhaps picked up once a month. We compost most foodscraps but have difficulty with garden waste and I hate putting into the normal garbage.
  • wfgreen almost 9 years ago
    There is definitely a need for a "Green" waste bin. Tree loppings (we have 12 gums plus numerous casuarinas and other trees on our property) and prunings are presently either left for the 6 monthly collection or squashed into the normal weekly bin. A great waste of an excellent natural resource. However, the Council area is vast. Rather than truck the green waste to Awaba site, have local shredding areas around the Lake - with the resultant organic matter being available for mulching local gardens.
  • Baz almost 9 years ago
    I compost at home and sort my recyclables from general waste. There are times when I can't accommodate more compost-able materials and need to put these materials into the general bin. If this can be sorted at a facility by Council or contractors then I feel this would meet my needs. The two present bins normally are adequate for the volumes generated by my household. I don't consider there is need for a third bin which I would have to find space for.
  • lin almost 9 years ago
    I have seen the three bin system in operation and most people would use a green waste bin. Often the recycle bin is filled with products which are not fully recyclable They have been contaminated,by not washing,or removing lables, lids, or containing left over food products.I do not think most families would reduce their waste for a smaller bin. If a system of user pays could be introduced, this may make people more aware, but that too is unfair for some of the larger families, as they are always going to generate more waste.Therefore at this time I think a three bin system, Green waste, Recycle, and Garbage, with attention given to how the recycle bin works. Two Council pickups a year, extra ones if nominated at cost, one or two environmental hazedous material ones similar to what is offered at present , with a time frame cap and then try to get people to be more responsible for the waste they are generating
  • john almost 9 years ago
    hi. i do compost but it brings around rodents.In the summer time i have to much to compost.Also it is getting expensive to drive to the Tip with tree cuttings
  • westlakewrens almost 9 years ago
    I think a 'green' waste bin is very important. Households may not be able to compost or worm farm all it's green waste.
  • Chookman almost 9 years ago
    I live in a an area that surrounds generate a large amount of vegetative waste. I am unable to compost this and think the three bin system would be abslutely brilliant. Currently my non reclable waste is about 1-2 bags per week, and most of this is food scraps such as peelings. Bring it on.
  • numb3rsman almost 9 years ago
    I live in a townhouse and usually don't have green waste other than food scraps. However, once or twice a year I prune the hedges in my back yard and have a hell of a problem getting rid of the waste. It's usually too much to fit into one bin, and I don't have a trailer to take it out to Awaba. I'm sure I'm not the only person with this sort of problem. I don;t think a third bin will resolve this issue for me.Secondly, if we do introduce a 3rd bin can we please alternate collection nights? Yes, I'm lazy and having to make 3 trips up and down the driveway of our complex is not likely to encourage me to use the 3rd bin.
  • Bloods almost 9 years ago
    I think it needs some clarification as to frequency of pick ups for the two smaller bins so we can fully assess our support or otherwise for this proposal. Also, does foood waste include or exclude animal products such as bones, fats etc?
  • Bill Freeman almost 9 years ago
    Whilst I understand the reasoning behind a third bin, let me explain the impracticality of it in the case of our 5 unit villa strata complex. Our development is in a cul-de-sac next to a three unit complex. Our waste is collected on Thursday mornings and our recycling is collected every second Thursday morning. There is insufficient kerb room as it is for sixteen bins, so if the green bin was to be collected on the same day as the others, it would be absolutely impossible to arrange the bins for collection.
  • Brian H almost 9 years ago
    In my previous LGA, we had a 3-bin system, one for general rubbish, one for recyclables and one for green waste. The general rubbish (which was, I think 120L, half the size of the other two) was collected weekly, while the other two bins were collected fortnightly, one each week. Consequently, there were two collections each week.I have a number of quetions -If a 3-bin system is introduced, will the bin sizes remain unchanged?Will there be an increase in charges for this third bin?Will the third bin be supplied free to each residence?How often will the bins be emptied?What constitutes "food waste"? If meat and fish scraps are included, how will these be wrapped to avoid odours? (I would imagine that plastic would not be an acceptable usage for compostable items) Brian H
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Bin sizes- all options are open including retaining current bin sizes, reducing bin sizes and even increasing bin sizes. If you have a preference we would like to know what that is.Charges- All the systems that are under discussion, would result in increased costs and therefore increased charges.Third bin supply costs- it could be that the cost of supplying a third bin is built into general charge i.e. paid through your rates or a separate one off charge or residents could provide their own. Once again, it is a question of which option you favour that is of interest to us.Collection frequency- once again there are a number of options, however, if the third bin includes food waste, it's almost a certainty that it would need to be collected weekly. If the third bin only contained garden waste, a fortnightly collection is most likely.Food waste- It can include all those things you asked about, but it is an issue to be determined. In terms of wrapping, as you say plastic is undesirable because it does not break down, but there are biodegradable 'plastic' bags made from corn starch or wrapping food waste in paper is also acceptable.
      • Brian H almost 9 years ago
        I would not advocate a change in existing arrangements until the size of the increase in rates is made public. A 120L general waste bin would be acceptable from our point of view if a third bin is introduced. However, I would be reluctant to place meat and fish scraps in this bin. The smell from this bin would be most obnoxious particularly in summer, even if it is collected weekly, for ourselves, our neighbours and visitors to the area. Added to this, our bins are stored close to the street, and all passers-by would be aware of them, simply by inhaling! Further, once the bin has been emptied, we would have to de-odorise it before we could use it again. Apart from these concerns, I would be in favour of introducing a third compostables bin. At the moment our general waste bin is either almost empty, or full to the brim with mostly green waste, as I haven't the room to compost it
  • kaz almost 9 years ago
    I would love a 3rd bin! it makes a lot of sense, we always have garden waste, tree prunings etc which we have to squash into our normal rubbish bin, so it would be great to have a dedicated bin. Thankyou for consulting us.
  • JaLlo almost 9 years ago
    Coming back to Newcastle from Sydney, where we had the 3 bin system, it can work, but it wasn't there. The great thing about the green bin was hedge and grass clipping, dog waste and cat litter could all go in as well as vegie peelings and pizza boxes and the bin was collected weekly. However they downsized the ordinary waste bin, and only collected the ordinary bin fortnightly, you could pay extra in your rates so you could get this bin collected weekly, but as we were renting this was not an option. Also Sydney residents were given a small bin to keep in the house specifically to place vegie peeling into, but this became rank, and alot of residents complained, so the council issued bio-degradable bags to use in this small bin. Also with the ordinary waste bin being collected fortnightly, residents were concerned about health issues as bactieria and mold growing, and fly/maggot problems especially in summer. As we have recently moved back, I'm not sure of this outcome.
    • aussie ali almost 9 years ago
      I like the idea of the downsizing of the general waste bin and the option of having it collected weekly if needed.
      • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
        Options that have a weekly green waste bin collection (that is food in the green bin) and a weekly general waste bin collection would mean having to put out 3 bins once a fortnight, that is when the recyclables are also collected. We think that might be too much and while that could be overcome with collections on different days, it's starting to make the system a bit complicated for residents. Is that something that would concern you?
        • aussie ali almost 9 years ago
          I think 3 bins could be too many, but perhaps 2 a week would be ok eg weekly general waste and alternating green and recycling. Recycling needs the divider out though if it's collected every 2 weeks.My parents live in the Bellingen shire and they have 3 full sized bins. The green goes weekly (this includes food scraps) and the general and recycling alternate each week. The council gives them a counter top sized wheelie bin to encourage composting. Not sure how people feel about disposable nappies in the bin for 2 weeks though.Any system has it's downfall. Which takes up more space in landfill? Pruning type greenwaste or kitchen scraps? In our house the prunings take up much more space and I would rather eliminate that from the general waste bin. When we lived in Tamworth no garden scraps were allowed in the greenwaste which would enable it to be collected fortnightly or even monthly without the stench.
          • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
            According to our most recent bin audits- food waste takes up more space in your general household bins than green waste. Garden waste took up 22%, where as food waste was 28% of the waste in the general bins. Together with other compostable organics such as timber etc, that's a total of 59% of the waste in your general garbage bins that could be prevented from going to landfill.
  • Amanda almost 9 years ago
    I used to live on the Central Coast where they had a 3 bin system (garbage/recycling/green) and it worked fantastically. It is fantastic to see the Council are looking into a three bin option now as about 12 months ago I asked about Councils current position on this type of system and received a wishy washy 'we really can't tell you anything' kind of answer. An extra bin for Green waste would be extremely beneficial as we started a compost for our garden waste like lawn clippings (as it filled out garbage bin every week and left no room for garbage) and we ended up with mice all through our yard!
  • Kenyon almost 9 years ago
    I do not need/want a green waste bin and I would not want to have to pay for another bin to clutter up my yard. Has anyone seen/smelt lawn clippings, etc that have been enclosed in a plastic bin in the summer sun for over a week? Not for me thanks! Not all of us are keen gardeners.
  • Garden Gnome almost 9 years ago
    I would love to see the implementation of a three bin system. I am a keen gardener and compost most vegetable waste and lawn clippings/leaves, etc. But due to see of the types of trees in my yard, eg, palms, I regularly fill my regular bin with green waste each week that I am unable to compost. I think a system that has a smaller regular bin, the current recycling bin and a 240l green bin would be a suitable option.
  • gibbo almost 9 years ago
    I agree with the concept of a 3 bin system . Much of my general waste is green waste at present. Composting can only accommodate a certain amount in a suburban household compost heap. I have a worm farm for all vegetable peels etc. but prunings and garden waste would be best collected and composted in a council facility. The general household bin could be thus made much smaller.After composting a more convenient way of giving rate payers access to the material via a number of pick up points would improve the systemThe provision of 6 monthly kerbside collection is an excellent service and must go a long way to reduce fire hazard. Keep up the good work Lake Macquarie Council.
  • pinkle almost 9 years ago
    Each of the towns I have lived in over the years have had the 3 system - Tamworth and Armidale with a garbage bin, recycling crates for cardboard and plastics and a green waste bin. Having moved to Newcastle last December and not having a greenwaste bin is an inconvenience. Our garabge bin is normally only 1/4 to 1/2 full each week but when my husband mows the lawns all the clippings then fill the bin right up. If we wanted to also do some weeding or cutting down small bushes/ branches there would be no room to do this. Our yard (like most) does not have room for a compost bin so having a greenwaste bin would be fantastic!
  • Alternative Solution almost 9 years ago
    As a short term solution, why not provide residents with vouchers through their rates notices to acess Awaba tip for free, say 2 green waste and 1 council clean up waste per quarter. This would assist council in lowering their clean up costs, and ultimatly lowering the cost of these services to the rate payers. It means that people who have access to a trailer, ute, wagon, van or other means can dispose of their waste responsibly, rather than waiting for a council clean up or dumping it illegally. Renters could access their vouchers through their agents. It may also have a flow on effect with people being able to access the tip rather than using our parks, streets and beach access areas as a means of disposing of their waste. The voucher option will not suit everyone, but it does provide us with an immediate albiet temporary solution. It is important to ensure the garbage is still collected weekly, no matter what size the bin goes to to ensure hygiene is maintainted. Those with larger families should be able to have a larger bin at no additional cost for waste, as again this could pose a health risk if they are unable to dispose of their waste. Due to the amount of packaging that we all have, the recycling bin should be collected weekly, and residents should sort their own.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Vouchers are certainly under discussion however, a number of residents have told us they are of no use to them because they don't have the right vehicle or the physical capacity to make use of a voucher to go to the tip. Weekly recyclable collection, if we also have a green waste bin, would mean 3 bins need to be collected at least once a fortnight and maybe every week. We are not sure that it would have much support- what is your opinion of having to put out three bins on the same night? We are looking at options for residents to opt in to a bigger recycling bin but staying with a fortnightly collection to cater to people's recycling needs. The recycling service will enter a new contract in 2012 and any changes will occur then.
      • Alternative Solution almost 9 years ago
        Thank you for replying, it is good the council is being proactive and addressing the issue now and taking suggestions onboard.We need a solution that is cost effective for rate payers/ council and the end user. Whilst I appreciate that some people are adverse to the idea of having a voucher system, through physical capeability or the 'right' vehicle, there will no doubt be support for it as well. You should go for a drive towards the sewerage treatment works at Belmont South and you will be able to see that people, outside my area, have the means and the physical capeability to illegally dump their domestic and green rubbish. Surely the voucher option will assist in curbing this behaviour as residents can do the right thing for free, rather than their options at the moment which is do the right thing and get charged, or do the wrong thing which will probably be for free as you will not get caught and face the fines. The council could potentially save money as they will not have to coninually clean up these illegal dumping grounds. Why not trial the voucher option? You then at leaste will have tangible evidence to see if it is viable in this area. Send out a trial 5000 vouchers to different areas of the Lake and check the take up rate? or make a downloadable voucher from the website as a trial.The voucher system would have been beneficial to us recently. We received a notice in the mailbox on Tuesday that we should have our greenwaste on the kerb for collection to commence on the Saturday morning at 7am: 4 days later. We would have liked to have pruned a shrub and used this service, but having such short notice, this made it impossible. Obviously council didn't want to notify any sooner as this would have caused people to put out their green waste too early. I am not adverse to the three bin system, but I look at it from the point of view of having another truck going down our street, equiped for green waste, another bin and another cost. What are the expected/projected costs for this service and how would this be charged to the rate payer? How would the levy be determined for people in townhouses, units, houseblocks? For instance, we do not have any large trees, our lawn mower is equiped with a mulcher, and we compost our vege waste. Occasionally we have a shrub to control, but on a whole, we do not have a regular use for the green bin, but I support it for those people who do need it.Has there been any discussion to equip our garbage/green bins to be divided, the same as the recyclling bins? Will the larger recycling bin cause any issues to residents wheeling a larger bin out? Will it be heavier to wheel out as there could be potentially more recyclables inside? Are they physically capeable of wheeling a larger bin out? Will this mean adjustsments to trucks to be able to lift heavier loads or different shaped bins? Will there be a cost to residents for a new larger bin?Would the council be looking to adopt the Green bins prior to 2012, or would this be commenced from 2012 when the recycling contract goes to tender?
        • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
          Hi Alternative Solution,All your questions are great and valid. As we work through the possible waste management solutions, the issues you raise are the important issues that Council is considering. In terms of actual change to the bin systems, residents will not undergo any changes until at least 2012, possibly later. Firstly, the right solution for Lake Mac needs to be developed and then voted on by Council with community endorsement before any real changes can take place.If you would like to come to one of the workshops next Monday or Tuesday, you can find out more detail about the solutions under consideration and have your say on what you think of them.Thanks.
  • lamson almost 9 years ago
    A bin for green waste would be excellent. We have a large lawn area and, although we compost food waste, all the grass clippings cannot be accommodated in the garden. We do put it around the plants but too much sees nitrogen removed from the soil where the carbon/nitrogen ratio is high, requiring the addition of chemical fertiliser which we try to avoid using.
  • Gardener almost 9 years ago
    Yes we should have a third bin for green waste but it should be optional. I don't need one as I compost or reuse all green waste including weeds.
  • Ross almost 9 years ago
    I think a third bin for garden waste is a good idea. It needs to be a LARGE bin not a half or 1/3 size, If any bin is to be reduced in size it should be the rubbish that goes to landfill.
  • NADINA116 almost 9 years ago
    I would prefer a third bin, we had 3 bins on the Central Coast when we lived there. 2 bins were recycle and the smaller third bin was for household waste. Having the household waste bin smaller forced you to recycle and really think about what you were putting in the bin. The pick up service firstly does not come at the best times throughout the year and last time we only got a weeks notice so we weren't able to utilise the green waste pickup.
  • Alternative Solution almost 9 years ago
    Would the green bin included paper and cardboard waste?
  • JAKL almost 9 years ago
    I lived in Campbeltown (South West of Sydney) when they first introduced a 3 bin system. We had a one bin system back then (no recycling either). They did not deliver a new green waste bin & a recycle bin - rather, they delivered a new smaller rubbish bin & the recycle bin. At first glance i thought there was no way my rubbish would fit in the tiny waste bin each week! But as it happened you did end up recycling more and we made do easily. And back then we were not allowed to put food scraps in the green waste bin - only garden cuttings, small branches & grass etc.All this was some 16 years ago & when we moved to Eleebana I was surprised to find we only had 2 bins. I know several people who do not sort their waste now! They dont sort the recycling in their recycling bins and when the rubbish bin gets full they just dump more of that general rubbish in the recycling bin.In summary - I think the 3 bin system works well and WILL encourage people to be more responsible. With a smaller waste bin they have no alternatie & ultimately it is our waste so we should bear SOME of the burden of sorting it. My kids get taught to recycle and to compost in school so I think it is not the younger generation that needs education but us "Old Dogs" that need to learn a new trick!!
  • Huddo86 almost 9 years ago
    I think that whether the waste remains with two bins or a third bin is introduced, the rubbish waste needs to remain getting collected weekly, with recycling and green waste on a fortnightly basis.I currently put green waste in our general waste bin, however this tends to fill it up and make it very heavy.I think either way, that alot of planning and consultation with the community is needed as there will be lots a questions like who will provide the bins, what sizes will they be and also costs.
  • right boot almost 9 years ago
    Green waste bin would come in handy a monthly pick up may be the solution.
  • Maj almost 9 years ago
    I have just heard an ad on the radio for a waste management meeting at Charlestown. I cannot attend but really wanted to have my say. I think a 3rd bin for greenwaste is something that many of us desperately need. Our general garbage bin is full of green waste throughout the warmer months, contributing to landfill even though we compost what we can. The green waste pickups arent always on a convenient date and therefore are often wasted. By introducing the greenwaste bin for greenwaste only, a smaller bin for general waste could easily be introduced and the recycling and greenwaste could go fortnightly. People should be encouraged to compost and recycle more thoroughly maybe through an education based advertising program and maybe the council offering a subsidy for an effective compost bin for households.
  • Cath almost 9 years ago
    Having the Green Waste bin is a great idea and i am all for it. I think that having the convenience of being able to dispose of green waste in a environmental friendly way is definate something that would benefit the evironment. Unfortunately with the busy life sytle that we live in a lot of people do not have the time required to maintain a compost bin so there just throw it all in the normal waste. I think a 3 bin option will encourage people to maintain there gardens and green waste with a positive outcome.
  • Earthworks almost 9 years ago
    I don't compost but I chop up food waste and bury some in the garden, sprinkled with a little garden lime and some goes into the worm farm.A green bin would be great as the neighbourhood usually has quite a bit of green waste and this is food for the planet and shouldn't be mixed with general waste in tips where it is of no use. Our green waste is mulched and spread on the garden.
  • Jules almost 9 years ago
    I can't compost, as we have rats in the neighbourhood and they eat the food scraps in the compost. I'd love a third bin as I also have lots of garden clippings. Surely we need this, or a similar solution, to cut down on landfill use.
  • RodH almost 9 years ago
    I'd love to see a third bin for green waste. I cannot stand the thought of how much green waste (ie lawn clippings) goes to the tip as landfill. LMCC should consider purchase of a vertical composting unit that could process the waste collected by the green bin and provide it for purchase by residents or sell it to horticultural based businesses. In getting the third bin I would prefer that the existing bin sizes are retained but if it came to the crunch would accept a smaller normal waste bin.
  • doc almost 9 years ago
    Yes. I think a third bin for green waste is a good idea, but what about the extra costs involved to everyone. Keeping costs down is an important factor & let's be realistic....everything costs. Our regular garbage/recycle bins are rarely full as we are a small family, but we do recycle most recyclable items. Yes, I compost peelings, eggshells, vegetable matter etc, but not plants/grass. I only have a small grassy area though a large block so I do not use a grass catcher. I use a regular compost bin with a lid to minimise possum/rat activity.
    • Project Leader almost 9 years ago
      Yes Doc, You are right, everything costs! Unfortunately, regardless of what bin system Council goes with Waste Management charges will be increasing due to the NSW State Government Waste Levy. The Waste Levy taxes Council on every tonne it dumps in landfill, so diverting as much waste from landfill is our goal as this waste tax will be increased by the State Government. So it's a matter of what system you want for your dollar.
  • eaglesmith almost 9 years ago
    We have a greenwaste recycling business in the Lake Macquarie area. We dont want or need a third bin and have many happy customers that are likely to not want or need a third bin either.
  • joez almost 9 years ago
    A third bin for organic waste means less landfill requirement. Whilst there are additional costs of a third bin for this both in dollars and the environment the saving in landfill requirement should be offset to arrive at true cost. The cost of sorting waste on a two bin sysystem also needs to be factored into the equation.
  • Jules almost 9 years ago
    The council have sent me info that a 3-bin system would produce 160,000 tonnes of greenhouse gases over a certain period whilst they've cited the greenhouse gases produced in landfill as a reason to look for alternative ways to dispose of green waste.What's their point in sending me this meaningless piece of data when there's nothing to compare it with? Surely they have already done some cost/benefit analysis concerning the two methods (ie 3 bin, or as is). It makes me wonder...
  • Pat almost 9 years ago
    No I don't need a third bin for garden waste but would like at least one additional green/bulk waste collection during the year.
  • jdrost almost 9 years ago
    Noted your info re additional greenhouse gases, however if we keep on putting green waste in landfill more methane gas will be produced. Would it not be true to say that this might well be offset and more if green waste did not go into landfill and was used for composting and mulching.We have a small garden and with many woody shrubs. The prunings of this are being chipped and used as mulch, but other items cannot be got rid of through mulching because of the size of our garden. This green waste then goes into general waste.
  • Jenmattdan almost 9 years ago
    A third bin for garden waste would be excellent. Currently I pay for garden waste removal and recycle food waste via a worm farm.
  • Greet a Garbo almost 9 years ago
    I see less of a need for a 3rd bin as the Council area becomes more urban and backyards and gardens decrease in size. If a 3rd bin is introduced perhaps consider it only for low to medium residential zones and not commercially zoned or high density residential areas.
  • Cookie almost 9 years ago
    My ideal bin system would be: small bin for general waste collected weekly. Large bin for recycling collected weekly and small bin for garden waste collected fortnightly or monthly. My kitchen waste goes to my two chooks or in one of my compost bins. Only need green waste for garden waste that can not go into compost. eg too woody or weedy. I find my general waste bin is only half full each week while my recycle bin is overflowing each fortnight and I have to put some of it into the general waste. Time we had a weekly recycle pick up.
  • Muktipriya over 8 years ago
    My main concern is that council should be composting or mulching garden waste, not putting it into landfill. My general rubbish bin is always filled with prunings, weeds & other vegetation that I don't add to the compost heap. We are vegetarians so most food waste is composted at home.I have 2 small bags of household waste most weeks. The paper cardboard side of my recycling bin is always full, the glass, plastics etc not.
  • Evanor over 8 years ago
    I think the implementation of a third bin is essential. I have a large yard and no way of disposing of my tree clippings etc. I rely on the twice yearly council pick-up to dispose of a small amount of green waste, but would love to do this on a more regular basis. I holiday on the North Coast where a third bin has been in service for many years, and the community use this system successfully. I have no hesitation in disposing of my food scraps or green waste in the bins whilst I'm on holiday, so I do not see a problem with using this system at my home.
  • RodH over 8 years ago
    One method of implementing a green waste system may be on a user pays system in a similar manner to Brisbane – You have to apply for a green bin and costs are:Establishment fee $30Quarterly charge $16.25Billing process Charges will appear on your rates accountBrisbane has a ‘towards zero waste’ plan which has certain targets for resource recovery etc. by 2026. Whilst the trucks collecting the green waste might add to the greenhouse gases, this may be offset by the recycling/economic value of the waste.Source: Brisbane City Council 2010, http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/environment-waste/rubbish-bins/green-waste-recycling/index.htm
  • twobinrecycler over 8 years ago
    I think we should have the option of choosing whether to have a third bin for organic waste. Our household recycles most of our organic waste through a worm farm and compost bins. We are trying to do our bit for the environment but having a third bin imposed would render our efforts pointless and as well there would also be extra rate costs imposed for this service. If organic wastes at Awaba Landfill are producing greenhouse gases, why not capture it and and harness the energy as Sydney Council does? A more efficient waste recycling facility system looks to be in order if there are problems with the present system. An additional new facility only using organic waste could be one option. A new landfill site at one of the local coal mines (some must be near the end of their productive lives) with free organic waste drop-off, along with a few collection points, would allow methane-electricity generators to be more cost effective while reducing the amount of bush dumping. The residues could then be used for garden compost.
  • tanlee over 8 years ago
    As a resident who has lived in many different areas of Australia, it is time for Lake Macquarie to move forward to a system that is better for the environment. We need the introduction of a green waste bin (not a supporter for food waste to go in their immediatley. Too much work & change all at once. Maybe this could be a step in the future). We also need weekly collection of the current recyclable bin to encourage more recycling. I often find with a family of 5 and an avid recycler that my recycling bin is full in a week & then I end up putting recycling into the general bin. With the immediate introduction of a fortnightly green waste bin & weekly collection of recyclables we could easily down size the general waste bin and reduce landfill. I believe that if the council does not downsize the general bin then some people will be too lazy to comply and will continue with their bad habits.