Wyee West Paper Subdivision

The Wyee West Paper Subdivision consists of 199 residential lots that are owned by more than 140 landowners.

While much of the land has been rezoned to allow for residential development, the land cannot be developed because it is not serviced with the necessary infrastructure such as roads, drainage, water, sewer and electricity.

Thank you to everyone who has provided feedback so far, Council is looking to work with local landowners to explore options for the future of the paper subdivision.

The Wyee West Paper Subdivision consists of 199 residential lots that are owned by more than 140 landowners.

While much of the land has been rezoned to allow for residential development, the land cannot be developed because it is not serviced with the necessary infrastructure such as roads, drainage, water, sewer and electricity.

Thank you to everyone who has provided feedback so far, Council is looking to work with local landowners to explore options for the future of the paper subdivision.

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  • Wyee West paper sub division doesn't have construction approval. But, recently I received a letter that there would be annual charges for waste collection from next financial year on wards. If we are not living there and vacant land, why we are supposed to pay for the waste collection?

    krismosan asked 2 months ago

    Thanks for this question.  Council is obliged by the Local Government Act 1993 to apply the Domestic Waste Management Charge to properties where waste collection services are available - that is, along roads that our trucks service - whether or not the land is developed. 

    We recognise, however, that the paper subdivision at Wyee is a unique situation in that the land cannot be lawfully developed (due to a lack of infrastructure), yet there are a number of established residents living within the subdivision. Council believes it is in the public interest for waste services to be made available to these residents.  In light of these circumstances, we are currently reviewing the proposed application of the Domestic Waste Management Charge and will advise residents in writing of any change to the current position.

  • Who is in the reference group

    Jason deasy asked 4 months ago

    Thanks for the question.

    The Wyee West Paper Subdivision Reference Group comprises 12 members including 3 Council staff (Senior Strategic Planner, Andrew Donald; Development Compliance Officer, Aaron Nash; and Community Engagement Officer, Karen Marples), 3 Councillors (Cr David Belcher, Cr John Gilbert and Cr Nick Jones) and 6 landowners (Joanne Cho, Kathy Docker, Martin Foster, Judex, Kathryn Kacperek and Lyndie Menken).

    The landowner representatives were selected after Council wrote to all landowners in October 2017 to invite expressions of interest from people wishing to be a part of the group.  Representatives include both residents and non-residents of the paper subdivision.

  • Hi when will voting take place for infrastructure?

    Tally asked 5 months ago

    Thanks Tally for the question. There are a number of things that need to happen before a landowner ballot (i.e. voting) can be held.  Firstly, we need to complete detailed engineering design for the roads, drainage, water, sewerage, electricity and NBN.  Consultants are working on this at the moment, and this is expected to be completed by September this year. 

    Secondly, we need to engage quantity surveyors to prepare detailed costings of the infrastructure based on the completed designs.  This may take around a month.  The final design and costs will then feed into a draft Development Plan that also sets out how much individual landowners will be asked to contribute to infrastructure costs (including design and project management costs).  The draft Development Plan will also describe the means by which landowners can make their contributions.

    Our intention will be to consult as many of the (approximately 140) landowners as possible in relation to the draft Development Plan to give landowners the opportunity to understand how we developed the plan and what it means for them.  This consultation will likely occur either late this year (2019) or early next year (2020).  Depending on feedback and any changes we make to the Development Plan, we hope to conduct the landowner ballot prior to the end of next financial year (i.e. June 2020).

  • Hello, do you think it is fair that the paper subdivision residents will need to fork out the costs for their sewerage infrastructure themselves while the other 400 or so homes in Wyee are getting their sewerage connected from the government/hunter water funding. Would it not be reasonable to request extra funding so that the paper subdivision properties can be also included in the infrastructure costs?

    Liam asked 7 months ago

    Thanks for the question Liam.  Council has been in discussion with Hunter Water about the community’s aspirations for infrastructure to be made available to the paper subdivision.  We will continue to liaise with HWC as we undertake detailed engineering design for this infrastructure over the next 6 months. We will certainly be seeking funding assistance for sewerage infrastructure once design and costs are known, however at this stage I cannot say what the level of funding support will be.

  • Hi, any further developments with the Saltro development on Hue Hue Road? "Early 2018" has now gone and all my attempts to contact Saltro have come to nil - phone messages remain unanswered, etc. Has Council had any advices from them?

    marcus asked over 1 year ago

    Thanks for your question Marcus.

    I can advise that Stevens Group recently entered into an arrangement with Saltro Developments which should see work resume on the Coast Central development in the near future.

    For more information, you can contact Sales Manager, Wendy Eschler, on 4965 3351. 

  • Hi, can someone please provide an update of why all work has stopped on the Coast Central development on Hue Hue Road. With stage 1 due to be released by the end of June 2018, we would have expected work to recommence by now. Who can we discuss this matter with, to get some answers/updates?

    KE asked over 1 year ago

    /Thanks for your question.

    Late in 2017 Saltro Developments advised Council that they were experiencing some delays with their Wyee development, however they expected to resolve the matter and finalise the first four stages of the subdivision in early 2018.  Council has not received any further advice from Saltro Developments at this time.

    Contact details for the developer are available at http://coastcentral.com.au

  • To the planning committee, As an ex owner of a house at Seahampton, part of LMCC, that part of the city is not forced onto sewer or water, they are totally independent from those things. Wyee paper subdivision is a very similar situation. Why is LMCC trying to force sewer and water onto this subdivision when it is not needed? There is a precedent set at Seahampton as far as water and sewerage goes, forcing residents in Wyee to dish out up to $100.000 for these services is unwarranted and unwanted, we can live clean and green with alternative ways, such as Biolet or pumpout...Your reasoning of land value increase due to sewer and water being installed is flawed, as the median price at Seahampton is $405K WITHOUT sewer and water. I implore you to find better ways to service this subdivision, without the threat of kicking us out. If your reasoning for having water mains is bush fire mitigation, this land has remained unserviced since year dot, and we have had no major problems...The main potential problem is the council owned uncleared land North of Tullokan road. Food for thought before the next meeting.

    JP asked over 1 year ago

    Hi JP, thanks for your comments.

    For historical reasons, the village of Seahampton, located west of the M1 at the George Booth Drive interchange, has remained unconnected to reticulated water and sewer.  This is far from ideal for residents, who are reliant on a costly sewer pump-out service and maintaining tanks and pumps for their drinking water supply.

    As you have suggested, the Wyee Paper Subdivision Reference Group will discuss the pros and cons of on-site sewage management at our February meeting.

  • Can council please tell me why the Saltro development has come to a standstill, and what has become of the $6 MILLION that was allocated to the waste water treatment plant in that development that has been mothballed, reportedly never to be used?

    JP asked almost 2 years ago

    Hi JP

    Saltro Developments are currently experiencing some delays with their Wyee development, however they expect to resolve the matter shortly and finalise the first four stages of the subdivision in the near future.

    Regarding the second part of your question, the grant received under the Commonwealth Government’s Building Better Regional Cities program has been used to build a waste water treatment plant/water recycling facility on land near Mannering Creek on land owned by Wyee Water Pty Ltd, a private utility licensed by the NSW government .  The plant is available for treatment of wastewater from any development in the vicinity of Wyee, and was never intended solely for development on the Saltro land.

  • Who is providing sewerage services for then new Saltro estate?

    JP asked almost 2 years ago

    Thanks for the question.  The first 130 lots within the “Coast Central” subdivision on Hue Hue Road (being developed by Saltro Developments) are being constructed with conventional gravity-fed reticulated sewer mains.  Eventually, the Coast Central subdivision will connect to Hunter Water’s Wyee Sewer Scheme, which is expected to be operational by December 2020.  In the meantime, Hunter Water have given Saltro Developments approval for the use of a temporary, centralised wastewater holding tank which will be serviced as needed by tanker truck.

  • Hi, Considering purchasing a lot. Can I get a sense of what you feel the costs will be per lot? and when you think infrastructure and as such building entitlements may proceed / be completed? thank you so much, Brendan

    Brendan asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for the question Brendan.  Our initial estimates put the up-front landowner contribution at approximately $100 per square-metre.  That is, if you own a 920 square-metre lot, the cost would be $92,000.  Depending on the feedback we receive during our current consultation with landowners, we hope to undertake detailed planning and design work over the next 12-18 months to allow us to refine the costs.

    The construction of infrastructure (and hence building entitlement) will be dependent on support from the elected Council, at least 60% of landowners, and the NSW Minister for Planning.  If we clear those hurdles, we anticipate infrastructure construction could occur in 2021, and private development of the land could occur from 2022.

  • I am unable to attend the drop-in sessions as I live a long way out of the area. I am responding on behalf of my father who is a landowner but he is 93 years of age and now resides in a nursing home. It would have been nice to get more warning about these sessions. We only received the invitation in the mail one week ago. I have completed the online survey. Will this count as our vote? When does landowner consultation and voting close? Once it does close how long will it take to make a decision as to whether the process will move forward?

    BHM asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your questions.

    We are not counting votes as such at this stage, but rather seeking an indication from landowners as to whether they think they would participate in a development scheme in, say, 18 months to 2 years’ time.  The reason for doing the survey now is because Council would need to invest a significant amount of money into preparing detailed engineering designs and costings as well as draft legal agreements before a format ballot can be held.  We would be reluctant to commit to this path if we don’t think sufficient landowners would be willing or able to contribute.

    Council intends to respond to landowners by the end of May this year to provide a summary of feedback received from the current round of consultation and advise what happens next.

    We appreciate that a number of Wyee landowners are not local and that there was a relatively short notice period for our drop-in sessions, however you would be welcome to speak with a project officer by telephone, or arrange a time to meet at Council’s Administration Centre at Speers Point if you prefer, to discuss your father’s land.

  • Why was $6 million in public funds spent on a private development? That $6 million should have been used to connect the sewer to Wyee Heights (Not West, as you incorrectly refer to it as.

    JP asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for the question JP. The Commonwealth grant of $6.34 million was used to construct a wastewater treatment plant near Mannering Creek at Wyee, some 600 metres from the paper subdivision (Wyee Heights).  This facility was designed with the capacity to service the paper subdivision  as well as the new subdivision on Hue Hue Road.  Since that time, Hunter Water Corporation announced their own Wyee Sewer Scheme.  This means there are two potential wastewater servicing options for the paper subdivision.  If Council proceeds with a development plan for the paper subdivision, we would choose the option that provides the best value for landowners.

  • Hi, I think that no one of those two options is realistic for most of the landowners. In my opinion the best option could be contribution payments by instalments limited by some amount per year. Is Council considering such option as well? Can't Federal or NSW Government partially fund this scheme, have Council tried option?

    Alexander asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your question. Allowing infrastructure contributions by instalments was considered, but Council believes it is not viable for a number of reasons. It would add to the overall project costs as Council would have to borrow more money and it also creates uncertainty regarding cost recovery for the infrastructure. Council is not equipped to provide loans to landowners, however individuals are free to seek their own finance  from a bank to make the upfront infrastructure contribution.  If a Development Plan for Wyee is prepared, it may be possible for Council to provide information to lending institutions explaining how the scheme will work.

    Regarding funding assistance from the Federal or NSW Governments, it is worth noting that a federal grant of more than $6 million went towards construction of a wastewater treatment and water recycling facility in Wyee, which could potentially be used to service the paper subdivision.  The NSW government is also helping to fund Hunter Water Corporation’s Wyee Sewer Scheme which will provide an alternative servicing option for the paper subdivision.  If we proceed with the preparation and costing of a Development Plan for the paper subdivision, Council will work with utility providers to minimise costs to landowners as much as possible.