Wyee West Paper Subdivision

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The Wyee West Paper Subdivision consists of 199 residential lots that are owned by more than 140 landowners.

While much of the land has been rezoned to allow for residential development, the land cannot be developed because it is not serviced with the necessary infrastructure such as roads, drainage, water, sewer and electricity.

Thank you to everyone who has provided feedback so far, Council is looking to work with local landowners to explore options for the future of the paper subdivision.


The Wyee West Paper Subdivision consists of 199 residential lots that are owned by more than 140 landowners.

While much of the land has been rezoned to allow for residential development, the land cannot be developed because it is not serviced with the necessary infrastructure such as roads, drainage, water, sewer and electricity.

Thank you to everyone who has provided feedback so far, Council is looking to work with local landowners to explore options for the future of the paper subdivision.

Need to know some additional or specific information about the project? Ask the project team a question here.

Any general project questions and comments will be responded to publicly, however if you have any questions that are about individual properties, including costs and services/utilities, we will respond privately.

You can also submit suggestions for the upcoming fact and information sheets to assist landowners with topics of interest to the paper subdivision project. 





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    Hi team , Can you explain to me what is going to happen if the majority of people vote no for development,what then? What will happen to existing dwelling?who is going to pay for all these clowns doing surveys at the moment and coatings?

    Sinead7740 Asked about 1 month ago

    Thank you for your questions Sinead.  Should the ballot be unsuccessful Council will need to consider other options.  This may include whether or not it is feasible to hold a second ballot. As the development coordinator on behalf of landowners Council will be responsible for the costs incurred should the ballot be unsuccessful.

    Over the years, a number of structures, including houses, have been erected within the paper subdivision without Council consent. As these structures have the potential to impact the environment, but also place their occupants at risk, Council will be working with landowners to achieve compliance with relevant standards and development controls. In some cases, this may involve the removal of existing structures.

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    Hi, I'm considering buying land in the Bushell's Ridge/ Tullokan Rd section west of Gorokan Rd, but when I look at the sewerage rollout maps, this area is not included. This makes me wonder if this area is included in other infrastructure plans. Could you please direct me to more information?

    hakeae Asked 5 months ago

    The water and sewer plans for the Wyee West Paper Subdivision have been included as part of the Development Plan documentation. We have been working with Hunter Water to develop these plans and would like to engage with landowners to discuss the detailed engineering designs and cost estimates once the COVID-19 social distancing measures have been lifted. This infrastructure will only be delivered following a successful ballot for the construction of all services. We're anticipating that this ballot will be held early-mid 2021.

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    Hi again, I thought we were going to get regular updates on what’s happening with subdivision?🤔 were we not supposed to receive something in the post,I’m sure if it was a bill the council would be quick to send that out,it seems to me that the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing in that office,and don’t forget we the rate papers are paying for these incompetent people ,like really how hard is it to treat the people that are paying you’re wages with a bit of respect

    Sinead7740 Asked 6 months ago

    Thank you for your question and staying in contact. A quarterly update is underway for Q1 Jan-Mar 2020. We have experienced some unforeseen changes to Council in response to the global coronavirus pandemic over the last few weeks and have experienced some minor delays for the Newsletter. It will be available soon and we will notify you when it is listed to download. I apologise for any inconvenience caused. 

     Yours sincerely, 

     Karen

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    Hi Sinead, 

    I just wanted to let you know the newsletter update is now available online. A hard copy is also on the way to landowners. 

    Yours sincerely, 

    Karen

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    So can you tell me what exactly did the landowners that were represented us contribute to the meeting?were they all present? ,what questions did they ask?did they query any of the information given out?

    Sinead7740 Asked 7 months ago

    Hi Sinead,

    Thank you for your question. The Community Reference Group is made up of 12 members, three onsite landowners, three offsite landowners, three Councillors and three Council staff.  Of the six landowner representatives, four were present at the last meeting on 13 February.  

    The representatives actively participated in all discussions and raised points of concern or issues felt by other landowners. These included the period of time since the six first dwelling inspections had been completed and no further contact from Council; the changes in Council staff and the continuity of information; the bushfire risk and avenues for mitigating and managing this risk; the amount of time the development planning process has taken; the draft engineering plans review, financing and opportunities for sustainable options; discussing the needs and wants across the differing landowner groups; the next steps and timeframes and discussion about communication with landowner groups and how more regular communication was supported and how that communication should be received. 

    If you would like something to be raised about the paper subdivision with the reference group or if you would like any further information about the project, please let me know.

    Kind regards, 

    Karen

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    Am where are our regular updates on what’s happening in the subdivision ?its been awhile ,isn’t communication supposed to be the key ,also can you tell us what block number do council own in this paper subdivision .

    Sinead7740 Asked 8 months ago

    Hi Sinead,

    The Community Reference Group will be meeting this Thursday 13 February and the meeting minutes and project update will be posted on Monday 17 February, if not before. Following this meeting and update, a project newsletter will be sent to all landowners in March. The last update was posted online in December under the News Tab and the most recent newsletter was distributed in August, however we appreciate your request for more regular updates and we will endeavour to keep the landowners more informed, even if it is to let you know we are still working through the complex design process.

    As mentioned, some aspects of the infrastructure design have proved more complex than we anticipated, which is why this work has taken longer than expected. At the moment, we are consolidating the information from reports recently received including the engineering detailed design for roads and infrastructure, integration opportunities with Radcliffe Estate, bushfire and biodiversity.

    We are continuing to work on detailed design concepts and accurate costings which will then allow Council to investigate possible funding assistance for the works required.

    For more detail on the above information please review the meeting minutes and project update to be posted this coming Monday. If you would like information on a specific topic, please let us know.

    Council owns one lot in the paper subdivision, 18 Waropara Road, Lot No. 216.

    Thank you for your question. We will also be updating our FAQs on this project site to reflect the questions raised in this forum to ensure landowners have easy access to this information.

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    Who is on the project team?also how many blocks of land do the council own in the paper subdivision?

    Sinead7740 Asked 10 months ago

    The landowner reference group comprised 6 landowners as well as 3 council staff members and 3 elected councillors (Cr Belcher, Cr Gilbert and Cr Jones).

    A number of other staff are involved in a project steering group.  In 2019, most of the work on this project was done by consultants working on the engineering design and servicing strategies for roads and infrastructure.

    Council owns one 557m2 lot within the paper subdivision.


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    Hi Team, I'm a resident at Wyee, and your plan says that you are consulting with landowners and developers. I'm concerned that the committee members are not representing the varying perspectives of this community. Is it possible to please elect some additional members? Send out a letter and ask for re-election. Nobody in the neighbourhood, and non-residents I speak to as well do not know anything about these people, or how to communicate their desires. My main priority (and the priority of a number of other residents I've spoken with) is to seek government grants to get the cost of development to an absolute minimum. Could you please advise the best way to go about this? Lastly can you please advise when the next council meeting is, and can we get the minutes of the meeting made public? Transparency will allow us to know what is being raised in the meetings and what is being discussed (e.g. is funding a priority?). Thank you for your time, Best Regards

    Tara Asked 10 months ago

    As mentioned in the response to the previous question, the landowner reference group has not met regularly since 2018 (so they are not to blame for a lack of consultation!)

    The members of the group included 3 resident and 3 non-resident landowners who were named in our December 2018 newsletter (available on this web site).

    Seeking government grants and/or subsidies is still very much on the agenda, however the time to do this will be once the engineering plans (which are close to being finalised) are ready and a quantity surveyor has prepared costings.

    A number of Council staff are involved in an internal steering group for this project and while much of the discussion has been of a technical nature, we will discuss how best to share this information with landowners and the general public.

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    All these people that are supposed to be representing wyee paper subdivision,what are they actually doing?and how come anyone you speak to had no idea who these people are and what they are actually doing for us ?when is there going to be a review of this?when is there going to be another vote on who represents us before we get totally done over ?and surely we could get a monthly update on what’s happening with the subdivision?

    Sinead7740 Asked 10 months ago

    The landowner reference group only met on one occasion in 2019 (in April) and has not met since that time due to the project being in the engineering design phase.  It was agreed that the group would reconvene once we were in a position to discuss project costs based on completed detailed designs.

    Some aspects of the infrastructure design have proved more complex than we anticipated, which is why this work has taken longer than expected.

    Your suggestion for more regular updates is a good one, and we will endeavour to keep landowners better informed as the project progresses this year.




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    If the 199 lots,how many people own more than one lot?

    Sinead7740 Asked 10 months ago

    As of January 2020, the 199 lots within the Wyee West paper subdivision were owned by a total of 144 separate landowner groups.

    119 of these landowner groups owned a single lot, while 25 owned more than one lot.

    Sixteen landowner groups owned 2 lots, six owned 3 lots, one owned 4 lots, one owned 5 lots and one owned 21 lots (although only 9 of the 21 lots are zoned for residential development with the remainder being zoned for environmental conservation).

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    Can you please advise if Council is on track for development consents, Wyee Paper Subdivision by end of 2022? How can I obtain a copy of the latest residential survey for the Wye West Paper subdivision?

    Forestville Asked 12 months ago

    Thanks for posting these questions.

    Council is committed to assisting landowners to realise the development potential of the Wyee West Paper Subdivision, however there are still a number of steps before infrastructure can be built and consent granted for development of individual lots.

    We are currently working with consultants to finalise the detailed infrastructure design.  Approvals for the design are also being sought from utility providers including Hunter Water and Ausgrid.

    The next step will be to engage a quantity surveyor to accurately cost the works.

    Once we have the design and costing completed, we will assess the feasibility of the project by comparing the infrastructure costs payable by each landowner with the anticipated uplift in their property value that the availability of infrastructure would provide. There may also be opportunities to seek government subsidies to assist with funding the project.

    Under the paper subdivisions legislation, a detailed development plan needs to be prepared prior to holding a landowner ballot (see FAQs on this project page titled “What is the Paper Subdivisions Legislation?” and “What is a Development Plan?”).

    We are still hopeful of conducting a landowner ballot in 2020, however this will be contingent on finalising the development plan, obtaining funding commitments from Council (along with any external assistance or subsidies), and allowing sufficient time to consult with landowners about the proposed plan.

    Should the ballot be successful, approvals will still need to be sought at a Council and state level before tenders could be called for construction of the infrastructure.  Consequently, the ability to grant dwelling approvals in late 2022 represents a best-case scenario.

    Regarding your question about the latest residential survey, we surveyed landowners in April 2017 to ask whether people would like to see the paper subdivision serviced with all essential infrastructure and whether they would consider participating in a scheme that involves landowners paying for infrastructure.

    As reported in our August 2017 newsletter, 45 (or 66 per cent of respondents) said they would consider participating in a landowner-funded infrastructure scheme.  The main concern was around the ability of landowners to afford the costs associated with infrastructure, which is why we have been considering options that may allow landowners to take advantage of the equity they already have in their land at Wyee West.  This way, it may be possible to reduce or avoid the requirement for upfront payments.